PC or Mac ?

Sorry if I repeated this discussion, haven't bothered checking. So state what side you're on and why? I personally prefer PC because I pretty much grew up using this and I don't like over expensive items that aren't really that good.

Let the discussion begin.

mac is like 1000x better bro.

There is no discussion.

The Unintelligible wrote:

mac is like 1000x better bro.

There is no discussion.

I disagree 100%

ya bish wrote:

I disagree 100%

why .

The Unintelligible wrote:

why .

Product testing, isn't a locked down version of linux, isn't really user friendly, isn't actually better at any thing that it's supposed to be better at.

The Unintelligible wrote:

why .

Its way to overpriced, by the time you buy that laptop a new one will be out by then. PC's are way cheaper.

C0FFINCASE wrote:

Product testing, isn't a locked down version of linux, isn't really user friendly, isn't actually better at any thing that it's supposed to be better at.

I was being sarcastic. I just wanted to see why he believed so. Just to get some perspective from others.

I know Windows is superior.

Linux > Windows > OS X

1. Macs are PC's.
2. Linux is master race, but everything good is made for Windows.
3. OSX is decent I guess for situations where simplicity and stupid ease of use is a priority, but for that reason I would expect it to be inexpensive. It's not.
4. The hardware that comes in Apple products is always behind the curve (5770's in their most hi-tech product?).
5. Just fuck you don't give apple your money.

By PC I meant Windows, Linux etc.

The Unintelligible wrote:

Linux > Windows > OS X

You choose neither Windows nor Mac.

You choose Linux.

Slayerx1779 wrote:

You choose neither Windows nor Mac.

You choose Linux.

I never really tried any OS other than Windows and Mac

Well I'm the exact opposite, I grew up with Macintosh computers since my dad hates any non-Apple electronics. xD
So I guess Mac OS X will always be my first choice. But sometimes I'd like a more capable computer for less money. D:

PC. Mac costs more to remove features. It's great for people new to computing, but the learning curve is small as shit. If you care to actually harness the full potential of a machine, PC all the way. And so importantly, the price difference. I mean, come on.

Charles Stover wrote:

PC. Mac costs more to remove features. It's great for people new to computing, but the learning curve is small as shit. If you care to actually harness the full potential of a machine, PC all the way. And so importantly, the price difference. I mean, come on.

Er, I'm not sure you can actually harness the "full power" of a machine using Windows. Most servers/machines run on Linux. Windows isn't really 'pure' computing. And given the deployment of Windows 8, the Windows OS is probably further from that plateau as it's ever been.

Personally haven't used Windows 8, but I hear it's almost as restrictive as OS X. Other than that, Windows > Mac all day.

The Unintelligible wrote:

Er, I'm not sure you can actually harness the "full power" of a machine using Windows. Most servers/machines run on Linux. Windows isn't really 'pure' computing. And given the deployment of Windows 8, the Windows OS is probably further from that plateau as it's ever been.

Personally haven't used Windows 8, but I hear it's almost as restrictive as OS X. Other than that, Windows > Mac all day.

I pretend like Windows 8 doesn't exist when I talk about Windows.

Charles Stover wrote:

I pretend like Windows 8 doesn't exist when I talk about Windows.

I think that would be the best thing to do.

Edit: And Microsoft better not toss Windows 7 aside eventually like they did XP. Anyone know how long they plan to support 7?

Whats wrong with Windows 8? It works awesome on phones.

The Unintelligible wrote:

I think that would be the best thing to do.

Edit: And Microsoft better not toss Windows 7 aside eventually like they did XP. Anyone know how long they plan to support 7?

Probably until it's two generations out of date.

Hmm. I was planning on getting a nice new computer to celebrate grad school next year. But no way I'd get Windows 8, and I bet there'd be a Windows 9 by the time it'd be outdated. I hope they fix Windows 8 so that it makes a valid alternative to 7 so that I can get it for better software extensibility. I think they at least finally let Steam integrate well into it, which was my biggest concern, but I still question the intuitiveness of its other features.

ya bish wrote:

Whats wrong with Windows 8? It works awesome on phones.

That's pretty much what's wrong with it. It's a minimalistic, portable OS. On a desktop. It's great for phones, but not monitors -- or really any interface that isn't a touch screen. It's not the worst, but it's not intuitive nor advanced. With such an interface, there is a lot you can't do that you should be able to do on a desktop machine. This isn't a phone, so treating the design and features as if they are for a phone won't create a good product.

It might end up being fine. The concern may all just be fear of change. But a lot of beta testers and developers how complained about how much more difficult it makes things, or how limited it is in its capabilities.

Hackintosh with a Windows VM is the best option for me. For me, the os x operating system just works better. I'm not 100% sure why, but I'm just more productive. However, I can never get by with only running mac apps. Or even only running Windows apps. That's where the Windows VM comes into play. It's there when I need it. So I'm never truly stranded or limited by any one operating system.

Edit:

On the topic of Windows 8. I agree 100% that it's only useful on tablets and laptops. On a desktop, especially with a multi-monitor setup the charms system just doesn't cut it.

Charles Stover wrote:

That's pretty much what's wrong with it. It's a minimalistic, portable OS. On a desktop. It's great for phones, but not monitors -- or really any interface that isn't a touch screen. It's not the worst, but it's not intuitive nor advanced. With such an interface, there is a lot you can't do that you should be able to do on a desktop machine. This isn't a phone, so treating the design and features as if they are for a phone won't create a good product.

It might end up being fine. The concern may all just be fear of change. But a lot of beta testers and developers how complained about how much more difficult it makes things, or how limited it is in its capabilities.

I forgot to include that in my post but I think its because were just scared of change they said the same about the past OS

ya bish wrote:

I forgot to include that in my post but I think its because were just scared of change they said the same about the past OS

Yeah, they say it about every OS, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to make a bad OS. Can't really know till I try it personally, but I don't anticipate much. Windows 7 wasn't that hated. I was excited when I got it.

Thomas wrote:

On the topic of Windows 8. I agree 100% that it's only useful on tablets and laptops. On a desktop, especially with a multi-monitor setup the charms system just doesn't cut it.

I bought a Windows 8 laptop for my mother and it's the worst fucking thing I've ever dealt with. Touch is overly response to the point that I can't even use it. She can but I can't. The whole setup seems very new user friendly but it feels like a giant middle finger to anyone that is used to Windows. I spent a few days trouble shooting errors and crap just because I put a bloody firewall and anit-virus on it. Of course it only took days because I kept trying to use the touch and it'd throw me from the desktop to the stupid "Start Menu".

I agree though, if they can get it to support stuff more readily while making the touch and general layout more intuitive to someone that has used Windows I'd be on board. I championed Vista and 7 for a long time because I never dealt with any of the issues people complained of.

C0FFINCASE wrote:

I bought a Windows 8 laptop for my mother and it's the worst fucking thing I've ever dealt with. Touch is overly response to the point that I can't even use it. She can but I can't. The whole setup seems very new user friendly but it feels like a giant middle finger to anyone that is used to Windows. I spent a few days trouble shooting errors and crap just because I put a bloody firewall and anit-virus on it. Of course it only took days because I kept trying to use the touch and it'd throw me from the desktop to the stupid "Start Menu".

I agree though, if they can get it to support stuff more readily while making the touch and general layout more intuitive to someone that has used Windows I'd be on board. I championed Vista and 7 for a long time because I never dealt with any of the issues people complained of.

I felt like windows 8 was an important milestone in windows history. One where they became a full time toy, instead of a tool to drk. I mean seriously, even putting your computer to sleep takes 3-4 steps. It should take two clicks, maximum.

Thomas wrote:

I felt like windows 8 was an important milestone in windows history. One where they became a full time toy, instead of a tool to drk. I mean seriously, even putting your computer to sleep takes 3-4 steps. It should take two clicks, maximum.

Simple doesn't always mean better. It often also means limited.

Thomas wrote:

I felt like windows 8 was an important milestone in windows history. One where they became a full time toy, instead of a tool to drk. I mean seriously, even putting your computer to sleep takes 3-4 steps. It should take two clicks, maximum.

It's not that bad, it only takes 3 clicks...

Charles Stover wrote:

Simple doesn't always mean better. It often also means limited.

I agree. Windows 8 feels limited. You feel constrained and have tnder at the over simplification of things.
Windows shouldn't try to compete with Mac on ease of use because it will ultimately undermine Window's greatest strengths.

C0FFINCASE wrote:

I agree. Windows 8 feels limited. You feel constrained and have tnder at the over simplification of things.
Windows shouldn't try to compete with Mac on ease of use because it will ultimately undermine Window's greatest strengths.

Honestly, all they really needed to change to make me happy was re-do the control panel from the ground up, and remove the blue login wallpaper. It always drives me crazy how cluttered it is.