close the shitter

since it opened, there's been a large increase in Trolls, banned members, quitting members, and idiocy here.
I mentioned it before in another post, but I'll repeat it again here for the sake of supporting my request.

If I were to come here for the first time right now, I'd see this site as a pit where everybody just shits on each other, rants about it, QQs, then tries to get along with everyone again but they're rejected because they've already ruined their rep here so they decide to just fall in with the trolls and spread like VD on Aileen Wuornos' poop hole.
Then I'd probably proceed to go cyber fuck some chillunz and masturbate to furry anime because it'd be better than the first impression this site is giving me.

And none of it was this bad at all before the shitter happened. It's opened that Pandoras Box to "alright, I can make fun of people in public and sound cool to everyone because I can swear a lot and put offensive sentences together hurr hurr troll troll die die"

So I personally feel it's leaving, or going to leave, a very bad impression of the site to newbies, and I'd personally be a fan of closing it back up.

I agree this is causing people wanting to get banned or just quit for example JAY

How much of these threads have been posted and the mods still don't listen.

they should at least try it just for a month and see the difference in how many new users and more active members we get. It's glorified the JY to be bigger than everything else on the site, and the JY is a bad thing to have as an impression on people.

Iunno, I see the same three members actively posting in the Shitter, it isn't like everyone's doing it. Just the attention whores.

Torian wrote:

Iunno, I see the same three members actively posting in the Shitter, it isn't like everyone's doing it. Just the attention whores.

yeah, but it's still the one that's drawing the most attention. It's the first thing that's really noticed once someone becomes active and starts exploring the forums to see what else there is here. Then boom, they find themselves knee-deep in the shitter

Im actually in agreement with the idea. I say we give it a chance and hide the forum for a while, like its not even there, and see what happens. If activity picks up, then its the right thing to do, and if it doesn't....then we try something else.

Torian wrote:

Iunno, I see the same three members actively posting in the Shitter, it isn't like everyone's doing it. Just the attention whores.

Thats all thats left in lg is like 3 members posting cause of the shitter mostly.

Taz wrote:

Thats all thats left in lg is like 3 members posting cause of the shitter mostly.

Also becuase a lot of people joined for hacks and now that hacks are harder to make and have successfully, less people are joining.

No.
Shitter gives me a place to vent.

~Fluxo

Fair enough, I'll put my hand up in agreement that we close the shitter, as long as a rule or something is implemented to keep all unneeded flaming to a bare minimum.

what about the old flaming rules? Thanks Tori

Raivu wrote:

what about the old flaming rules? Thanks Tori

Flaming rules will be relaxed if the Shitter is closed. However, uneccessary flaming or excessive flaming will still result in administrative actions.

Here we go again.

What I think we should do is try to eliminate flaming. It's not good in a site at all.

Not all at once, but perhaps start by having some easy, relaxed rules. Then, over a few weeks/months, slowly let them get more restrictive until flaming is restricted completely. When newbies come to the site, they don't want a horrid flame community. Nobody likes getting hurt on the playground.

Arcanine wrote:

What I think we should do is try to eliminate flaming. It's not good in a site at all.

Not all at once, but perhaps start by having some easy, relaxed rules. Then, over a few weeks/months, slowly let them get more restrictive until flaming is restricted completely. When newbies come to the site, they don't want a horrid flame community. Nobody likes getting hurt on the playground.

That would generally work if the community doesnt have any people with hate in their heart. Which this is LG, there will always be flaming, all we can do is make it restricted, and punish those who go over the line.

Raivu wrote:

since it opened, there's been a large increase in Trolls, banned members, quitting members, and idiocy here.

I agree... Don't password lock it either, just lock it... Let Admin's and mod's have access if you wan't just block it from the general users eyes...

Most of the users could generally care less about one another's bullshit anyway...

Eternal Darkness wrote:

I agree... Don't password lock it either, just lock it... Let Admin's and mod's have access if you wan't just block it from the general users eyes...

Most of the users could generally care less about one another's bullshit anyway...

Completely locking the Shitter is the only answer. If average users cannot users above UGB shouldnt be allowed to. Other users get more permissions.

~Souleater~ wrote:

Completely locking the Shitter is the only answer. If average users cannot users above UGB shouldnt be allowed to. Other users get more permissions.

Leaving it open sure solved the problem of spam, now we can have no posts, other than spam.

If the average user on this site was smart enough to spell, type without messing up capitals or using caps lock constantly. Then I wouldn't be worried about smart members quitting and the life of this board...

We only have 2 options :
- Keep the shitter open and the increase of trolls we have, and decrease of intelligent members of the site.
- Close it, come intelligent members will log in, more will sign up...

To close it would be illogical... Unless you prefer the troll's over the logical/intelligent members...

I know there are always trolls and spam, but at least when the shitter was closed it was semi-controlled... It is the only way of getting the site back to the way it was... I know you'll miss spreading useless posts to the world, you can morn in JY...

I do not understand the illogical logic of your logic...

Eternal Darkness wrote:

Leaving it open sure solved the problem of spam, now we can have no posts, other than spam.

If the average user on this site was smart enough to spell, type without messing up capitals or using caps lock constantly. Then I wouldn't be worried about smart members quitting and the life of this board...

Considering that most of the useres now dont even care about the site, its hard to sit here and say that there are any one who really worries.

Eternal Darkness wrote:

We only have 2 options :
- Keep the shitter open and the increase of trolls we have, and decrease of intelligent members of the site.
- Close it, come intelligent members will log in, more will sign up...

The primary argument amongst the members of LG is that the Shitter is going to cause problems with the users who may sign up, and drive away potential members. Your choices are constricted and miopic.

Eternal Darkness wrote:

To close it would be illogical... Unless you prefer the troll's over the logical/intelligent members...

To keep it open is as illogical as it is logical. There is no way to win in this situation.The fact is any activity is good for the site. There are always trolls, and there is always spam, there is no way to stop it. Closing it wont breed flaming in the JY or other forums, it will keep it generally the same.

Eternal Darkness wrote:

I know there are always trolls and spam, but at least when the shitter was closed it was semi-controlled... It is the only way of getting the site back to the way it was... I know you'll miss spreading useless posts to the world, you can morn in JY...

Your argument goes round in circles you argue for and against the closing of the Shitter and choose no real side, if any one thus far has spread illogic and nonsense to the site, it is the very type of posts that you have made just now. You put good points but you never make your point and choose a side.

Eternal Darkness wrote:

I do not understand the illogical logic of your logic...

A lack of logic on your side. You have just been answered.

Shield wrote:

I agree this is causing people wanting to get banned or just quit for example JAY

Nice Mention* And I think this would be a 'nice' idea for the site, but then we'd Lose basically like 4 members.

█╖™‘Jay‘™╖█;199113 wrote:

Nice Mention* And I think this would be a 'nice' idea for the site, but then we'd Lose basically like 4 members.

lose: 4
gain: ?

That's the excitement of it. I think the shitter is really unattractive, and to have the main interest of the site now be the most unattractive interest, it's putting a huge damper on things. I think if we cleaned up a little bit and made it a bit more shiny (can't wait for 3.0) then we'd have a better chance of getting back up on our feet

I just couldn't help but notice that an admin agreed with the shitter being closed; however I also noticed that the shitter is still open .

Raivu wrote:

lose: 4
gain: ?

That's the excitement of it. I think the shitter is really unattractive, and to have the main interest of the site now be the most unattractive interest, it's putting a huge damper on things. I think if we cleaned up a little bit and made it a bit more shiny (can't wait for 3.0) then we'd have a better chance of getting back up on our feet

probably gain 10 maybe.

█╖™‘Jay‘™╖█;199117 wrote:

probably gain 10 maybe.

haha we gain quite a few in a day alone. They're inactive, yes, but perhaps with one of the problems out of the way, we'll start seeing more activeness going around. Also if we communicate more with the newbies and make them feel more welcome, that'd be pretty cool too

Thomas wrote:

I just couldn't help but notice that an admin agreed with the shitter being closed; however I also noticed that the shitter is still open .

Just because TOrian is an Admin doesn tmean he has final word. He still has to bring it up to Alex. Hes the boss, so he says what goes.

~Souleater~ wrote:

Considering that most of the useres now dont even care about the site, its hard to sit here and say that there are any one who really worries.

As far as I remember, users cared about the site before the shitter was opened...
Everyone was overjoyed at the primary adrenaline rush of flaming fellow members, now they see that it is unnecessary and partly causing the site to fail...
The fact that you don't even care aboout general members experience on LG means you have no brains at all...

When members complain about something, it needs to be fixed. Or the amount of current members will drop like flies... We have been more than clear that we want this changed with a major list of members who agree.

How about a compromise, we close the shitter for a while, then at a later date, open it for members in a UG of the Admins choice.

~Souleater~ wrote:

The primary argument amongst the members of LG is that the Shitter is going to cause problems with the users who may sign up, and drive away potential members. Your choices are constricted and miopic.

It has caused members currently on the site to drive away from it... Point in case it will turn away members new or old...

~Souleater~ wrote:

To keep it open is as illogical as it is logical. There is no way to win in this situation.The fact is any activity is good for the site. There are always trolls, and there is always spam, there is no way to stop it. Closing it wont breed flaming in the JY or other forums, it will keep it generally the same.

Then do your fucking job and ban / temp ban them members that continue to flame / spam...

The point is, this site used to encourage the logical to post, now that theory has gone down the drain.

Basically your saying. Are you a Dumbass? Well I know the perfect site for you, LG. You can spam and flame. Plus you can get a rank and premium hack for it.

Excuse me for thinking that plan isn't good...

~Souleater~ wrote:

Your argument goes round in circles you argue for and against the closing of the Shitter and choose no real side, if any one thus far has spread illogic and nonsense to the site, it is the very type of posts that you have made just now. You put good points but you never make your point and choose a side.

The only logical side is to not pick one.

I keep hearing about a increase in Spam and trolling as well as a decrease in worthwhile posts... So I came up with a solution that makes sense and your retorting it with nonsense.

I would like the admins to be able to put the points together and make a good decision. Since I have no power to say either way.

You have some of the power necessary, but have chosen the wrong side that will produce general user satisfaction. Producing a lower amount of spam & trolling, more worthwhile posts and more intellectual / logical members...

~Souleater~ wrote:

A lack of logic on your side. You have just been answered.

I think its the other way, your saying we should encourage spam and trolling. I am saying we should stick to the old ways where members were happy and had fun here.

Eternal Darkness wrote:

As far as I remember, users cared about the site before the shitter was opened...
Everyone was overjoyed at the primary adrenaline rush of flaming fellow members, now they see that it is unnecessary and partly causing the site to fail...
The fact that you don't even care aboout general members experience on LG means you have no brains at all...

When members complain about something, it needs to be fixed. Or the amount of current members will drop like flies... We have been more than clear that we want this changed with a major list of members who agree.

How about a compromise, we close the shitter for a while, then at a later date, open it for members in a UG of the Admins choice.



It has caused members currently on the site to drive away from it... Point in case it will turn away members new or old...



Then do your fucking job and ban / temp ban them members that continue to flame / spam...

The point is, this site used to encourage the logical to post, now that theory has gone down the drain.

Basically your saying. Are you a Dumbass? Well I know the perfect site for you, LG. You can spam and flame. Plus you can get a rank and premium hack for it.

Excuse me for thinking that plan isn't good...



The only logical side is to not pick one.

I keep hearing about a increase in Spam and trolling as well as a decrease in worthwhile posts... So I came up with a solution that makes sense and your retorting it with nonsense.

I would like the admins to be able to put the points together and make a good decision. Since I have no power to say either way.

You have some of the power necessary, but have chosen the wrong side that will produce general user satisfaction. Producing a lower amount of spam & trolling, more worthwhile posts and more intellectual / logical members...



I think its the other way, your saying we should encourage spam and trolling. I am saying we should stick to the old ways where members were happy and had fun here.

My only concern is making the general populous happy and keeping the peace. I encourage nothing of either side, I do not encourage spamming and trolling, as much as any other person as yourself would. Fact is, if people want it gone, then it must be taken away to see if it can stop the cancer that is being created.

█╖™‘Jay‘™╖█;199113 wrote:

Nice Mention* And I think this would be a 'nice' idea for the site, but then we'd Lose basically like 4 members.

Why would we lose 4 cause of the shitter who goes on lg hoping for shitter posts?
Shitter is the biggest thing in lg right now with JY but we don't need it.

~Souleater~ wrote:

My only concern is making the general populous happy and keeping the peace. I encourage nothing of either side, I do not encourage spamming and trolling, as much as any other person as yourself would. Fact is, if people want it gone, then it must be taken away to see if it can stop the cancer that is being created.

That is my concern too. All I have been doing is retorting your ideas that seem unnecessary an un-logical and offering alternatives that seem much more logical...

The cancer will be created either way, the thing is how can we vaccinate it / prevent it.

~Souleater~ wrote:

Just because TOrian is an Admin doesn tmean he has final word. He still has to bring it up to Alex. Hes the boss, so he says what goes.

(1:55:54 AM) Alex: I wasn't the one who opened it.
(1:55:58 AM) Alex: I closed it ages ago
(1:56:02 AM) Alex: So tell him to go ahead

But bad news, turns out Torian's red name is just an illusion.

Most likely lost my admin powers through a glitch in the system. Alex is usually upfront about any demotions of the sort.

Torian wrote:

Most likely lost my admin powers through a glitch in the system. Alex is usually upfront about any demotions of the sort.

Plobby was having the same problem. Just bug Alex about it and he will fix it.