Evolution

Artificial wrote:

You're making assertions which to be quite blunt border on lunacy.

Tell me the specific information you're having trouble with and I will provide sources.

GAMEchief wrote:

This is incorrect. The inability to disprove the metaphysical does not mean we cannot disprove the physical. Creation myths are creation myths for a reason. We can and have proven evolution and thus have disproven creation myths, which are stories of physical occurrences. Gods being metaphysical are separate discussions entirely. Evolution as a physical occurrence is factual and creation myths as physical occurrences are disproven.

For simplicity's sake I called them myths but no matter what you call them, there's no way to disprove them. Just because monkey bones from 200,000 years ago bear resemblance to a modern human skeleton doesn't disprove any theory.

Also, I'm not trying to disprove anything. I'm simply making a point that just because certain people think it's true, it doesn't mean other people have to say that my beliefs aren't factual.

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

For simplicity's sake I called them myths but no matter what you call them, there's no way to disprove them. Just because monkey bones from 200,000 years ago bear resemblance to a modern human skeleton doesn't disprove any theory.

Also, I'm not trying to disprove anything. I'm simply making a point that just because certain people think it's true, it doesn't mean other people have to say that my beliefs aren't factual.

It's not a debatable issue. Evolution is a proven scientific fact. We're not speculating about monkey bones. You can observe evolution through historic records, experiments, and test DNA. Evolution happened and is happening and has nothing to do with religion.
Also regardless what you call it, simply making a statement and not being able to disprove it does not make that statement more valid. It just makes it a baseless statement with no evidence to support it.

Reminds me of the Connecticut school shooting conspiracy theoryy

C0FFINCASE wrote:

It's not a debatable issue. Evolution is a proven scientific fact. We're not speculating about monkey bones. You can observe evolution through historic records, experiments, and test DNA. Evolution happened and is happening and has nothing to do with religion.
Also regardless what you call it, simply making a statement and not being able to disprove it does not make that statement more valid. It just makes it a baseless statement with no evidence to support it.

No one has shown me any evidence

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

No one has shown me any evidence

It was in your 1stgrade science book and then repeated every year for the entirety of your life while in school. It's also regularly demonstrated on specials on Discovery and the History Channel.

C0FFINCASE wrote:

It was in your 1stgrade science book and then repeated every year for the entirety of your life while in school. It's also regularly demonstrated on specials on Discovery and the History Channel.

Yeah I would have to agree with Coffin that it is demonstrated fact that atleast SOME degree of evolution happens to every species. It is the law of the land, you adapt to live in specific conditions or you die.

Hence why cacti can survive in deserts, why owls are nocturnal, why bats use supersonic, etc.

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

there's no way to disprove them. Just because monkey bones from 200,000 years ago bear resemblance to a modern human skeleton doesn't disprove any theory.

... What?

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

No one has shown me any evidence

The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution: Richard Dawkins: 9781416594796: Amazon.com: Books

ITT: No one here actually knows a lick about Science and just like hearing themselves talk.

The Unintelligible wrote:

ITT: No one here actually knows a lick about Science and just like hearing themselves talk.

I'm an accounting major. Just inflating my post count.

C0FFINCASE wrote:

It was in your 1stgrade science book and then repeated every year for the entirety of your life while in school. It's also regularly demonstrated on specials on Discovery and the History Channel.

Don't take up a tone with me. And it wasn't in my science book. Maybe whatever place you're from, but not where I'm from

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

Don't take up a tone with me. And it wasn't in my science book. Maybe whatever place you're from, but not where I'm from

Someone is getting awfully feisty.

The Unintelligible wrote:

Someone is getting awfully feisty.

He started it

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

No one has shown me any evidence

Origin of the domestic dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you understand dogs are domesticated, you actually believe in evolution.
That's actually evolution we've had a part in creating.
In fact there is a current extremely good example of evolution at work through selectively breeding foxes.
I'm not sure if you've heard about it, but there is/was a Russian Science experiment that was dedicated domesticate foxes.
Breeding them based on their temperament. (Originally so foxes used in the fur trade would be easier to handle.) They bred the non aggressive foxes with each other, while breeding the highly aggressive foxes with each other.
Each generation produced more docile and more aggressive foxes respectively.
The amazing thing is as these foxes were domesticated into more docile creatures, their features actually began to change and take on a more dog like form.
Some of them obtained curly tails, floppy ears, and a more dog like bark.
History
This is all documented and actually really interesting. I'm thinking the problem might be you don't really understand what evolution is.
If you get a chance I suggest reading this:
HowStuffWorks "How Natural Selection Works"
It explains it pretty well.

To make things extremely simple, evolution is basically passing down traits and reforming those traits through generations.
And as those things are reformed and change, they eventually evolve into the things we know today.
Like how birds are related to dinosaurs, even though they don't seem like they would be. =P
Or even less extreme things like eye color.
The reason being is it helps those animals survive or reproduce, including us. We're even still evolving.
It's not like they suddenly "change" into these things, it can take millions of years.
Or be relatively quick if you count things like selectively breeding for traits in dogs.
(But that's a whole other topic in it's self.)
Relation also doesn't really mean like your cousin or something. Or at least not in the way I believe you're thinking.

So you really can't deny evolution it's self exists. The only argument I can really see were to be admitting evolution existed but not believing in human evolution because we haven't found the definitive "missing link". Even still there is so much evidence in other creatures and in our own history that it's almost nitpicking at that point. =P

Personally I don't see why religion and science can't both live with each other. I don't believe in anything mind you but who's to say that god(s) didn't create evolution?
I mean that seems more reasonable to me than denying it all together. =P

CL0V3R wrote:

So you really can't deny evolution it's self exists. The only argument I can really see were to be admitting evolution existed but not believing in human evolution because we haven't found the definitive "missing link". Even still there is so much evidence in other creatures and in our own history that it's almost nitpicking at that point. =P

Personally I don't see why religion and science can't both live with each other. I don't believe in anything mind you but who's to say that god(s) didn't create evolution?
I mean that seems more reasonable to me than denying it all together. =P

That's pretty much my viewpoint. I don't deny microevolution. I don't even deny macroevolution. There's just certain things that don't click in a logical sense.

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

That's pretty much my viewpoint. I don't deny microevolution. I don't even deny macroevolution. There's just certain things that don't click in a logical sense.

You could have said that in the beginning. xD They way you were responding made it seem like you believed in no form of evolution at all which is the biggest thing that didn't make sense to me. Okay now everyone can go back to debating evolution in humans. Lol

CL0V3R wrote:

You could have said that in the beginning. xD They way you were responding made it seem like you believed in no form of evolution at all which is the biggest thing that didn't make sense to me. Okay now everyone can go back to debating evolution in humans. Lol

LOL I was wondering why so many people kept acting like I was an imbecile P:

Because even denying human evolution is willful ignorance.

GAMEchief wrote:

Because even denying human evolution is willful ignorance.

Xmen can teach us about this

GAMEchief wrote:

Because even denying human evolution is willful ignorance.

But isn't ignorance bliss?

-0- D i o r -0- wrote:

But isn't ignorance bliss?

It absolutely is. Do you want bliss or truth?

A heated argument. If my english class were still doing these controversies.